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David Wolosik's avatar

That was an exceptional essay, linking different lifestyles into one practical solution.

The Amish aren't involved in the Social Security scam either. Phenomonal craftsmen. As an aside, Big Brother does have the Amish in its sights. Developing land around their farms to tax them off. Spending over $5 MILLION to entrap a PA Amish dairy farmer for allegedly selling raw milk over the border into Maryland are two examples. They held strong against the Covid scam.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Yes they are heroes of mine, I wish I had grown up in the old order and could be a part of that life. I do hope the people right here on Substack today can be a bridge to at least a more sane life along those lines.

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David Wolosik's avatar

👍👍

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Frederick R Smith's avatar

We have ESP! My next essay, which is ready for publication, features the Amish!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

It's the zeitgeist, or vibey as the kids say. :-)

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Great article! I recall a post-apocalyptic show where the desperate town-folk turned to the Amish and the Amish said, "You lived beyond your means."

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Boflys's avatar

Beautiful bro.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Thanks, blush.

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Obsidian Blackbird.'s avatar

Wow I could have written that, its out of my brain HAHAH.

Im doing all the above and we would love you to join us if you like. ( currently Im in South Africa )

But if you want I can hook you up with some real punks to live the dream :

Come visit.

https://www.wilderland.org.nz/

is the commune I grew up on

and

punks doing it in Tessesee...

https://thepeoplesprojectblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/07/shut-up-and-grow-it/

There is also these great guys, Ive stayed up there and it was great

https://wheaton-labs.com/

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Noice!

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Yours Truly's avatar

I love the Amish and Mennonites, have toured Lancaster and Southern CO in admiration of their strength and perseverance which can only be compared with the earlier colonists of the 13 states.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Yes, I feel blessed to have an Amish community within easy driving distance of my house. We have all the different kinds of white people in my area, lol.

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Yours Truly's avatar

PA? I’m in Taos

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Northern Michigan, that’s all I am going to say, I am not going to dox myself in this no doubt spook filled fishbowl.

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Depswah's avatar

Do I know you? I have not run AC in near 15 yrs. I live in the high desert, where "they" place,d many of my kind. Those to be banished from the lot of new commers - Same as we live again. I was born into the cold country (Mi.) I felt the need to go back, 'home' after "they", poisoned and killed, my husband, I no longer had. My needs are necessity. My wants, few. I know no people, as they have no right to know me - because they do not understand, nor have the will to. Because they concern for themselves and not another!

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zachariah's avatar

this reminds me of the story about NASA scientists spending millions designing a pen that works in space only to realize that a pencil is best.

Punkish maybe the future...

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Yes if we play our cards right we can be punks with cool shit like 3D printers and CNC machines, if we don't better learn to harness a horse.

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Depswah's avatar

I can harness, have learnt them to buggy and ride bare of backs - They know me, well!

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Joyce's avatar

That made great reading, much respect for the Amish. Well written 💙💫

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Tommaso di Maria's avatar

I was part of the late-70's/early 80's L.A. scene. It has informed my thought and choices - it seems that I was drawn to it for very serious reasons that have since come to make sense.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

L.A. scene, you mean Los Angeles?

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Tommaso di Maria's avatar

Yes. X, Los Plugz, etc.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Gotcha loved X back in the day, Under the Big Black Sun is a masterpiece.

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Tommaso di Maria's avatar

After the GoGo's (X's constant early-days opening-act) got a record deal, X started gigging back-and-forth with the D.K.s. Shortly thereafter, Ray Manzarek joined X and connected them to Electra.

I had read "Last Exit to Brooklyn," etc. and was not shocked by "Johnny Hit and Run Pauline," etc., but Biafra was a shock. They opened with "Police Truck." It was a little...unnerving for a teenager. Alleycat's "Nothing Means Nothing Anymore" had a similar kick.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I know you are supposed to like Wild Gift and Los Angeles, but I think Under the Big Black Sun has better songs.

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Tommaso di Maria's avatar

Seems fine to me - the first two were mostly from a very extensive and long-developed gig list, and the third was almost wholly new material. Certainly the three best, and I don't favor one over the other, myself.

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Erl Happ's avatar

A great read, and sound advice. Let's cultivate useful skills and work from home. It's one helluva lot more convenient.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Thanks.

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Don Pato’s Musings's avatar

Ive found Jared Diamonds book “collapse” to contain interesting case studies. Whatever people think of Mr. Diamond

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I need to read that one and Tainter's book on the collapse of complex socities.

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Joseph L. Wiess's avatar

If you aren't going to become an old order Amish, at least think about becoming an off-grid survivalist. Jack Spirco does The survival podcast on Youtube and Odysee. It's also podded on the RSS feed of your choice.

I think everyone should learn how to plant crops, cultivate them, and harvest them. People should know how to hunt and how to fish. People should know how to survive.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I have been fishing since I have been a toddler, know how to grow food, and have several months worth of beans, lentils and split peas stored away. I live in a cottage in a wilderness area, I have my own well and lakes and trout streams surround me. There are no traffic lights in my county, and many bears, so yeah I get it.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I pretty much am dude.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Are you telling me I’m not living the life I am living? Lol!

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It's way less hard then you think, if you can set up an account here you can gut and scale a fish or butcher a deer. I haven't gone deer hunting yet, but a housemate of mine when I lived at a different place brought home a still warm roadkill deer and we processed it in my sink. You hang it up fro a couple of days to drain the blood out, and then you are ready to cut it up. It was like some something out of a horror movie, but not difficult, you just basically cut the meat off the bone in strips, put it freezer bags and put it in the freezer.

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Depswah's avatar

Not horror, just plain ole survival! Our Creator deemed it so - And so, it shall be.

Unless: those as - sholes kill off all first! Same as the fish, the elk n the buffalo. Like they doing...

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Samuel Chapman's avatar

Pretty much spot on.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Thanks I appreciate it. I will be loading another long essay in about an hour, check it out if you enjoy my work.

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

Great read, and an interesting take. A secular Amish approach.

I think you are right. The collapse is here. It just looks like disintegration and decline.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Movies make us think that collapse is sudden, but in reality it's slow, Rome took hundreds of years to decay. Same for Easter Island, it took many years to completely die.

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Graham Pardun's avatar

My man!

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